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Is there a 2003 Gamecube-esque liquidation in the future?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176728

You’d think a $50 drop in the price would scrounge up some interest, but apparently not. Perhaps everyone who wanted the system has already bought one. Or perhaps the novelty of a lower-end game system that can only play games and has about 5 great titles a year, is finally wearing off.

:Q

I knew this was going to happen with all the sales that were going on. What goes up must go down, and in about a year, they won’t be able to give the system away. Now they have to focus on selling games to the people who already have a Wii.

It could be perfect timing with releasing the WiiHD by next year. If Nintendo can focus more on making games for it and not rehash WiSports/WiiFit/WiiMusic for it.

They really need to deliver solid core titles if it can be held in the same light as the 360 and PS3.

Sony came out the gate with a slew of funny ads all practiacally shouting from the rooftops $299!!!

MS followed with Elite now $100 off tagged after every 360 ad and now those sneaky 360 starting at $199(Minus all the shit you need >_>)

Nintendo… issued a press release and pretty much left it up to the retailers to promote the new price. No wonder it didn’t spur sales. >_>

They need to be screaming just as loud as Sony and MS thier console is now cheaper.

[quote=“sbf717”]Sony came out the gate with a slew of funny ads all practiacally shouting from the rooftops $299!!!

MS followed with Elite now $100 off tagged after every 360 ad and now those sneaky 360 starting at $199(Minus all the shit you need >_>)

Nintendo… issued a press release and pretty much left it up to the retailers to promote the new price. No wonder it didn’t spur sales. >_>

They need to be screaming just as loud as Sony and MS thier console is now cheaper.[/quote]

What can they really scream about? Petz Catz 4? Can you name a Wii game Nintendo has come out with in the last 6 months outside of Metroid Prime Trilogy? And even that is a compilation of old games.

Now that the novelty of the new type of gameplay is wearing down, Nintendo will have to rely on software to push the system. And, really, what is there? 3 games a year can only push you so far. Third parties don’t want to release games on the system, because Nintendo gives a free pass to all these cheap games made in someone’s basement overnight, and the few companies that do try to make something different or darker for the system can’t sell anything, because that market is already dominated by the 360 and PS3.

[quote=“spooie”]What can they really scream about? Petz Catz 4? Can you name a Wii game Nintendo has come out with in the last 6 months outside of Metroid Prime Trilogy? And even that is a compilation of old games.

Now that the novelty of the new type of gameplay is wearing down, Nintendo will have to rely on software to push the system. And, really, what is there? 3 games a year can only push you so far. Third parties don’t want to release games on the system, because Nintendo gives a free pass to all these cheap games made in someone’s basement overnight, and the few companies that do try to make something different or darker for the system can’t sell anything, because that market is already dominated by the 360 and PS3.[/quote]

Well I mean MS didn’t really come out with a major title in the past 6 months outside of ODST but they promoted the shit out of Epic’s Shadow Complex and pretty much any major 3rd party title for 360.

Well they have Crystal Bearers but they haven’t really been giving it alot of attention.

Which brings me to a BIG point when has Nintendo EVER given the Crystal Chronicles a huge amount of attention?? Square has devoted and entire team to make Final Fantasy games exclusively for Nintendo platforms and Nintendo acts like they could give a shit.

Hell even Microsoft didn’t get that. :stuck_out_tongue:

Their 3rd party situation is a mess but it can be solved if they would just sit down and talk with them and figure it all out. It’s time for a come to jesus moment for Wii 3rd party support. Whatever it is…money…more support staff…co-marketing…better engines and middleware give it to them.

Sony and MS do all of the above and it’s the real reason why they have better 3rd party support than Nintendo.

I like how a profit drop is spun as something super-bad for Nintendo (hint: they’re still making wild amounts of money), while Sony’s game division is practically slitting its money-wrists with the amount of cash they’ve been spilling.

And not even a little money, they’re making loads of fucking cash. $1.2 billion profit in six months is nothing to sneeze at - Iwata’s still wiping his butt with 100 million yen bills.

To put this in perspective, Nintendo made $1.2 billion these past six months. Oh no! They’re going to become third-party! Sony, meanwhile, counting the PS1 and PS2 even, had their greatest profit for a full year with just $1.1 billion.

Nintendo gets cut down by 52% and it’s still $100 million more than Sony has ever made even given twice the time.

In fact, if you look at the numbers for all three during July, August, and September, it goes something like this:

[ol][li]Nintendo: $707 million[/li]
[li]Microsoft Game Division: $312 million[/li]
[li]Sony Game Division: $[highlight]-654[/highlight] million[/li][/ol]

Fuck do some numbers-checking people. I know everyone somehow wants Nintendo to crash and burn for some reason, but this isn’t indicative at all and saying such things just proves you’re a non-fact-checking moron.

Edit- Also fuck 1up.

Wow you overreacted more than the guy who wrote the article. >_>

All he was saying is demand for the Wii has cooled and this is the new stabilization for them.

[quote=“sbf717”]Wow you overreacted more than the guy who wrote the article. >_>

All he was saying is demand for the Wii has cooled and this is the new stabilization for them.[/quote]

I was more overreacting at spooie and the OP he wrote, despite knowing he was being facetious because I know it will (and has already) attract moronic hate-based statements. It was a big rant post to deter people from being idiots, because Lord knows they won’t do any research on the subject and just post knee-jerk reactions (see: first three posts of this thread.)

But yeah, even though it’s a “tame” 1up article, it’s still clearly skewed anti-Nintendo, despite him wrapping up the article with something positive. Anywhere he injected his opinion, it was typical 1up.

sbf717… the difference with Nintendo and MS is that MS doesn’t need to release a bunch of games themselves, because they own (along with the PS3) the 3rd party market. Nintendo’s 3rd party games are, for the most part, non-existent.

Andrex… it doesn’t matter how much Sony or Microsoft is losing compared to how much Nintendo is making. It’s not just about dollars and cents, it’s about common sense of how one thing effects something else.

Sony EXPECTED to LOSE money on the Playstation 3, and Microsoft EXPECTS to lose money in different territories of the world. Both of them have subsidiaries in over departments of their company to cover the expenses of the PLANNED loses on their consoles. Nintendo does not. Nintendo has to lower their forecast because they DIDN’T expect any loses. That is bad for the company and that is bad for their investors and that means that NINTENDO losing money will equal people losing JOBS at Nintendo in the near future.

Just because they made more money than another company isn’t going to hide the fact that they’re suddenly losing a ton of money, or the people that lost money will effect. The problem is… what can Nintendo do to RAISE interest and get more money back into their systems? They cut $50 off their system when there was still a higher demand for the system and now at a lower price, there is LESS a demand. If the system is truly tapping out with people already owning them in excess, then they’re going to have to start to rely on software to sell until the next new system hits. And, honestly, I don’t know what software they’re going to turn to. Do any of you?

And so you know, The Magic Box reported about this 2 days BEFORE 1up.com did. And they don’t have a bias against any company.

New Super Mario Bros. Wii?

But if you’re talking about a third-party-developed game, I honestly don’t know.

[quote=“sixsicksixes”]New Super Mario Bros. Wii?

But if you’re talking about a third-party-developed game, I honestly don’t know.[/quote]

Unfortunately, I don’t think that 1 game is going to carry the system through the next 3 years or so.

Well, there is Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid Other M, and Epic Mickey if done right, other than that, there is not a whole lot. It would be nice if Nintendo actually brought some of their long overdue IPs that could actually do well on the Wii, like F-Zero and Star Fox.

What in the world are you even talking about? Better to withold a statement than post something completely abstract that doesn’t make sense.

[quote=“spooie”]Sony EXPECTED to LOSE money on the Playstation 3, and Microsoft EXPECTS to lose money in different territories of the world. Both of them have subsidiaries in over departments of their company to cover the expenses of the PLANNED loses on their consoles. Nintendo does not. Nintendo has to lower their forecast because they DIDN’T expect any loses. That is bad for the company and that is bad for their investors and that means that NINTENDO losing money will equal people losing JOBS at Nintendo in the near future.

Just because they made more money than another company isn’t going to hide the fact that they’re suddenly losing a ton of money, or the people that lost money will effect.[/quote]

But Nintendo isn’t losing money. They made $1.2 billion profit! In six months! Nothing has changed other than they adjusted the amount of money they expect to make in the next fiscal year. That’s it. They’re still the most profitable of the three by far - this fiscal period, this year, this generation. Period. And that isn’t going to change.

Well I don’t know about you but September isn’t exactly the hottest month in gaming. To base anything on the summer months is just shaky right off the bat.

:lol But of course! Nintendo is primarily a software company. That’s a no duh moment.

Did you miss last E3? In terms of big blockbuster Nintendo games, 2010 is pretty stacked. Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid: Other M, and possibly Zelda Wii (or at least, much more revealed about it.)

As for the rest of this year and leading up to those games, NSMBW is going to be big. Count on it. I wasn’t expecting much from it at first, but it’s becoming increasingly apparent that it’s this year’s Mario Kart. It’s going to be big and sell a ton of units (software and hardware) for quite a couple years to come.

But again, why does everything rest on Nintendo? Sony’s financial are in the pits yet no one is complaining about their first-party output. Nintendo has been stellar this gen, and outside of a Kirby, F-Zero, or Star Fox game, has released practically one (and in some cases more) new entry in every one of their series that is bigger and/or better than previous entries.

The short-sightedness, both hindsight and foresight, in regards to Nintendo this generation is nothing short of staggeringly idiotic.

My beef with 1up is far-reaching and too complicated to go into here. But in the future, it would probably be better not to post anti-Nintendo news from 1up, because you’ll almost always get that response from me.

Um… yes it is…?

[quote=“spooie”]sbf717… the difference with Nintendo and MS is that MS doesn’t need to release a bunch of games themselves, because they own (along with the PS3) the 3rd party market. Nintendo’s 3rd party games are, for the most part, non-existent.

Andrex… it doesn’t matter how much Sony or Microsoft is losing compared to how much Nintendo is making. It’s not just about dollars and cents, it’s about common sense of how one thing effects something else.

Sony EXPECTED to LOSE money on the Playstation 3, and Microsoft EXPECTS to lose money in different territories of the world. Both of them have subsidiaries in over departments of their company to cover the expenses of the PLANNED loses on their consoles. Nintendo does not. Nintendo has to lower their forecast because they DIDN’T expect any loses. That is bad for the company and that is bad for their investors and that means that NINTENDO losing money will equal people losing JOBS at Nintendo in the near future.

Just because they made more money than another company isn’t going to hide the fact that they’re suddenly losing a ton of money, or the people that lost money will effect. The problem is… what can Nintendo do to RAISE interest and get more money back into their systems? They cut $50 off their system when there was still a higher demand for the system and now at a lower price, there is LESS a demand. If the system is truly tapping out with people already owning them in excess, then they’re going to have to start to rely on software to sell until the next new system hits. And, honestly, I don’t know what software they’re going to turn to. Do any of you?

And so you know, The Magic Box reported about this 2 days BEFORE 1up.com did. And they don’t have a bias against any company.[/quote]

Losing money is not how a business is run sure it might get you more marketshare but that’s not a smart business move unless you have to do that. Also this isn’t nearly as bad for Nintendo as you are making it out to be. Nintendo makes hand over fist in cash its just less hand over fist in cash.

No, it isn’t. MS would have to double their profitability and Nintendo would have to slip much further down for them to even have a chance. And even still, counting the entire generation, Nintendo would still have them soundly beaten no matter what they do.

You’re looking beyond the point.

We’re not talking about a “console war”, we’re talking about Nintendo being in for a profit loss that they weren’t expecting.

[quote=“nothere413”]You’re looking beyond the point.

We’re not talking about a “console war”, we’re talking about Nintendo being in for a profit loss that they weren’t expecting.[/quote]
…they’re still gonna be the most profitable by any measure.

lol k.